tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post6287764333919597347..comments2024-03-23T15:06:27.495-05:00Comments on The Lucas Countyan: Prince among Gypsies or a chief of the Cherokees? (Part 2)Frank D. Myershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09553291415988366101noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-510195120174891792018-06-03T14:24:49.751-05:002018-06-03T14:24:49.751-05:00i learned so much about my distant family from the...i learned so much about my distant family from these 2 articles ... also, thank you for helping me find Dolly Frier family too ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-35808423666182091302018-02-19T14:00:37.468-06:002018-02-19T14:00:37.468-06:00Hmmmm...lets say I'm Irish, and my son-in-law ...Hmmmm...lets say I'm Irish, and my son-in-law is Mexican. How the hell would that make me Mexican. That's what I get from all of this. Grasping at straws to try and prove something or someone wrong.<br />Great Great grand son of JohnAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00830637987432667048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-35995001406217395002017-09-29T21:02:45.907-05:002017-09-29T21:02:45.907-05:00Hi Amy --- I think you're spot on. There was a...Hi Amy --- I think you're spot on. There was a good deal of prejudice against Romani people that simply went away when they were perceived of as "Cherokee." As I tried to make clear in the posts, Lucas Countyans had a long and congenial relationship with the Rinehart band but a major factor in that relationship was the fact Lucas Countyans perceived of them as American Indian, an identity which by that time had been romanticized by white folk. Who could blame the Rineharts for encouraging the fiction? They knew who they were, but I've noticed in conversations with other descendants that as the generations advanced the Romani identity was allowed to slip away just because grandparents and parents wanted their children to have easier lives. I'm glad that some, like you, are reclaiming it! FrankFrank D. Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553291415988366101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-65327132034691771002017-09-29T18:41:47.626-05:002017-09-29T18:41:47.626-05:00I am the third great-granddaughter of Sahria Rineh...I am the third great-granddaughter of Sahria Rineheart and Frederick Mason. Sahria was the daughter of John Rineheart and Rachel. My mother, who is John's thrid-great granddaughter has 0% Native American. It surprised me at first because I've been doing genealogy research for a dozen years. I knew from my research that her great-grandmother was Rachel Mason, the wife of Jonathan Jossiers Roe. They were enumerated in the 1910 census in Otoe Township, OK on the reservation, which also makes the comment above stating that the Gypsies had nothing to do with the Native American interesting, clearly my Gypsies lived with them. In that census, she claimed to be half French Canadian and half Chippewa Indian, so imagine my surprise when my mother's DNA test comes back with 0%. I'm not a novice to Native American DNA. My father-in-law is very heavily documented as the 5th great grandson of Jesse Chisholm, and he shows 5% Native American, so I expected my mother to have a similar percentage. <br /><br />I've been researching this line lately now that my mother's DNA has finally helped me make a breakthrough by connecting to so many Gypsie descendants, and I don't believe they were Native American at all. I believe it is more likely that they accepted that title from white people who did not understand them because it was easier to pretend to be Native American in the late 1800 and early 1900's than to make people understand that they were, in fact, Romani Gypsies.<br /><br />I'm going to keep researching my Gypsie roots. I had no idea. It was never shared with even my mother's generation. I wonder if my grandfather even knew that his father started out living a Gypsie life. I know the Gypsie life ended with him. I'm interested to learn so much more about my Gypsie roots. Thanks for sharing this.Untangled Family Rootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07662341843360451072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-87807010821132070992017-09-08T21:10:40.553-05:002017-09-08T21:10:40.553-05:00Thank you,My GRANDFATHER jOHN hENRY Joles passed b...Thank you,My GRANDFATHER jOHN hENRY Joles passed before i was born but was raised with my Grandma Mae Beard Joles and i remember as a child going to Iuka ,Il to put flowers on his Grave once a yr with my Granny and when she passed we Buried her next to my Grandpa in Iuka Cematary.Im going to try and find out if i can get a record for Iuka cemetery and start there.and yes finding where they lived before they bout the family farm in Belle Rive,Il. Can you tell me where Charito is?? Is it in Il?? Thank you so much for you help!!! Also can you tell me if the Rinehart Band that went to such lengths to be those closely related to John are you speaking of my Grandfather John Henry Joles??<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-59926120508712841912017-09-05T13:06:45.925-05:002017-09-05T13:06:45.925-05:00Hi Janet --- Thanks for your comment here. You mig...Hi Janet --- Thanks for your comment here. You might see if there are burial records for the Luka cemetery. I know that the Rinehart band went to extraordinary lengths to bring those closely related to John to Chariton for burial and many other bands did the same for other burial places. It's possible the youngsters are at Luka, but in unmarked graves. Beyond that, I don't have many ideas other than if not buried at Luka they more than likely were buried in cemeteries near where they died, but finding out where they died will be a challenge. FrankFrank D. Myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09553291415988366101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-28389934152458191722017-09-05T11:31:28.955-05:002017-09-05T11:31:28.955-05:00I am a Joles,my Father was Jearld Joles son of Joh...I am a Joles,my Father was Jearld Joles son of John Henry Joles and Mae Beard Joles,my Great Grandfather i beleave was Issac Joles who was considered a King of a Gypsy tribe,im working hard to find my family heritage and find this information. My Father Jeardl Joles has a baby brother that pasted as a toddler 1-2 yrs old and he had a brother Sam Joles who passed i beleave in his early 20s. My Grandmother and Grandfather John and Mae joles are buried in Iuka ,Il. cematary but there children that had passed are not,im not sure how to find out where they are buried,any more information you have would be amazing.Thank you My name is Janet Joles Loman<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-84908422810405823042017-04-13T23:20:57.770-05:002017-04-13T23:20:57.770-05:00I believe I am a descendant of John Reinhart. He ...I believe I am a descendant of John Reinhart. He would be my 3rd Great Grandfather if he had a daughter named Dora (Reinhart) Ward, grandson named Leonard Ward, great grand daughter named Mildred (Ward) Bullard, great great grand daughter named Nilene (Bullard) Lung, and great great great granddaughter ME, Alisa (Lung) Rodriguez.<br /><br />I will need to read these stories many more times before I can understand all these details. I am fascinated! I appreciate this history so much. Thank you!<br />Alisa Rodriguezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00685802110467547950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-18495184423611959952017-04-13T23:20:11.508-05:002017-04-13T23:20:11.508-05:00I believe I am a descendant of John Reinhart. He ...I believe I am a descendant of John Reinhart. He would be my 3rd Great Grandfather if he had a daughter named Dora (Reinhart) Ward, grandson named Leonard Ward, great grand daughter named Mildred (Ward) Bullard, great great grand daughter named Nilene (Bullard) Lung, and great great great granddaughter ME, Alisa (Lung) Rodriguez.<br /><br />I will need to read these stories many more times before I can understand all these details. I am fascinated! I appreciate this history so much. Thank you!<br />Alisa Rodriguezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00685802110467547950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-80441223080141438732015-09-11T20:21:51.470-05:002015-09-11T20:21:51.470-05:00Richard Joles passed away recently. The obituary i...Richard Joles passed away recently. The obituary is very interesting. Read it on the Eau Claire Leader Telegram website. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-74995966174073835202013-02-08T22:20:35.122-06:002013-02-08T22:20:35.122-06:00i come from richard and elizabeth joles they were ...i come from richard and elizabeth joles they were my grandparents i personally dont believe that there is any indian in us no disrespect to indians, i think where our people sold herbs and such we called it drab, that they called there selves indian like indian doctors, and the public could deal more with indians than gypsies. just sayinstevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12631722.post-53435007912958722022012-04-11T03:06:38.443-05:002012-04-11T03:06:38.443-05:00I would be interested to see where the Native ance...I would be interested to see where the Native ancestry is believed to have come from, really study it. In my family, with very close ties to just about every name mentioned here (including the author Meyers)... <br /><br />ALL Native stories have led to "gypsies" who allowed others to believe they were Native American.<br /><br />I have the classic NC to KY to IN and beyond American family. We have a lot of "unexplainable" dark people throughout our line.<br /><br />DNA has shown less than 2% POSSIBLE Native American markers.<br /><br />In essence, someone may have been Native 300 years ago...but that isn't where the root digging and old Appalachian practices came from.<br /><br />I've studied 1,123 family lines (about 250,000 people). I have found three people who MIGHT be Native...and 249,997 people who perfectly fit the various Romani groups that were sent here from Wales, England, Netherlands, Scotland, Ireland, and Germany.<br /><br />The other thing... For some reason "Gypsies" and Natives did not see eye to eye. Despite the many things they had in common they thought very little of each other.<br /><br />"Gypsies" made sure to live NEAR Natives or Spanish speaking people in Florida and Texas...but rarely (almost never) did the live with them.<br /><br />It was a way of hiding in plain site. <br /><br />EzraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com